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Loren wrote:Oh yeah. Doug, I didn't even realize I'd finished ahead of you. Bonus!

Damned printouts. I didn't either until I got home. At least I beat Joe Vance by .016 SWEET AND finished 24th OA which is way better than last time.

Dave-ROR wrote:So my last run had a cone. I don't care about points, but maybe Carl or old arse Doug does... so you can move me to 4th in S1. I suck, I know.

Dave it is what it is. You are still 2nd. We'll live. I lost two places at a nationals because of a dishonest cone counter...you're the best

That course, just WOW. I didn't like the looks of it on paper or watching other people run but it was definitely a fun one.

I feel Jason's pain, I felt good with my 40.8 when I left only to get a text from the man himself. It was simple, just "40.559". That must have been a lap! And on the 2nd run Still, so glad to be in class that forces me to push 100% only to find out that wasn't enough. That kind of disappointed is what keeps me coming back

I also wish I saw that 41.302 by Soraya!

Native wrote:.

I'm not one to pick favorites, but that course was definitely one of the best! Wonderful variety and skills needed to get through, and nice and smooth flow. Goodness.

What is this flow you speak of? I never found it. Do over for sure.

Carracer wrote:I felt good with my 40.8 when I left only to get a text from the man himself. It was simple, just "40.559". That must have been a lap!

Hehe. Jamie was trying to twist the knife when he sent that text. You took the high road and replied simply, "nice" It was good for a chuckle. What a fun day!

LOUD CAR Awards:
95 is the limit
In no particular order...

David Bess 130 G35 95.9
Michael Calamaras 350 Mustang 95.0
Scott McMurray 305 Mustang 95.1
Todd Peterson 91 Mustang 95.2
(I sense a pattern here...)
Jon Silverman 302 Mustang 100.7
Ian Simon 38 Focus ST 95.1
Bill Cassidy 777 M3 101.7
Keith Davis 4 Focus ST 98.8

Honorable mention:
Kayla Bristol 412 Legacy
Dave Day 64 Mustang
Grant White 787 Mustang
Chad McCann 9 Corvette
Brian Phillips 101 Camaro

Those of you over 95 db were over our sound level limit. Those of you with honorable mention have quite loud cars, that crept in under the limit, but may be over it another time, given measurement variation. Be prepared.

The rule link above will let you know that we will be checking you all the next time you're out, and if over 95 this time we will expect that next time you've made some effort to muffle and that your car will be quieter. If not, we MAY have you stop running.

Great event today. Course layout was quite interesting and fun. Besides the little hiccup where I found myself and the M3 possibly crossing paths in the switch over, it was great. Didn't push as hard as I would have liked to but every event is a learning experience. Placed 10th in M2.

Here's video I put together of my runs. If anyone has any advice or comments, please chime in.

https://youtu.be/Cj8xSPUkNGI

Evil MS3 wrote:Here's video I put together of my runs. If anyone has any advice or comments, please chime in.

My comment: Daaaaayum!

Nice runs. Times speak for themselves.

Hard for me to judge specific placement with that camera angle. Can't really tell if you're close enough to the cones or not. But, I don't think it would be possible to drive the line that you did if you weren't pretty close.

Again, hard to judge, but I think it looks like you could probably get through the last crossover sequence better. You need to late apex the right mo-betta, so that you can get to the right earlier and initiate that turn earlier... then you can be on the gas a lot earlier powering through that turn without wiping out the cone wall on the right. You got through there okay, but I think a little better setup could have gotten you through there quicker.

Appreciate the advice sir. I was having a hard time deciding if I was taking the wrong side of that last optional gate with the center cone. I thought going to the right was better but I think the left might have given me a better angle but now looking back at the footage i don't think that helped. I was having to cut that last left pretty hard and getting pushed way out to the cone wall.

As far as the camera angle, i don't know how I managed that lol I thought it was straight. Derrrrrr.

Evil MS3 wrote: Here's video I put together of my runs. If anyone has any advice or comments, please chime in.

If I may ask, what software is that for the track map?

dan wrote:

Evil MS3 wrote: Here's video I put together of my runs. If anyone has any advice or comments, please chime in.

If I may ask, what software is that for the track map?

It's the Virb edit software. My Garmin Virb Elite cam records GPS and telemetry data and kinda creates a "course map" based on where I traveled during a recorded session. You can then use the Virb edit software to add a bunch of different data overlays.

Evil MS3 wrote:As far as the camera angle, i don't know how I managed that lol I thought it was straight. Derrrrrr.

Less about it being straight, more about it being way up on top of the car. Dunno about you, but I don't drive from up there.

I took that option box to the right. Took it to the left once, really didn't seem much different (exact same time, and not difficult to drive in either direction). For me, going right just seemed to flow better. Allowed me to start setting up to the left earlier so that I could get the late apex on that right-hander.

But, Joe Brannon told me that he thought taking it to the left was unquestionably faster.

I'm sure it was car-dependent, but I really think both of those options could have been taken either way without issue in most cars as long as you COMMITTED to what you were doing and planned it right. The first one was set up that way intentionally. The second one, we looked at and considered whether we could tweak it to require slalom entry on the right. But, if you moved that green pin cone enough in one direction, it just made it a highway in the other direction. So, we pretty much left it in the middle where we thought the obvious line was to take it to the right and flow through it... but, it could also be driven the other way without issue. Bottom line is that both of those options were mostly psychological!

The slalom needed to be entered on the left, which paid big dividends at the end of the slalom. Full throttle at the second-to-last slalom cone if you entered left. Frustration if you entered right. Ron Rice can tell you all about that.

Loren wrote:Less about it being straight, more about it being way up on top of the car. Dunno about you, but I don't drive from up there.

I took that option box to the right. Took it to the left once, really didn't seem much different (exact same time, and not difficult to drive in either direction). For me, going right just seemed to flow better. Allowed me to start setting up to the left earlier so that I could get the late apex on that right-hander.

But, Joe Brannon told me that he thought taking it to the left was unquestionably faster.

I'm sure it was car-dependent, but I really think both of those options could have been taken either way without issue in most cars as long as you COMMITTED to what you were doing and planned it right. The first one was set up that way intentionally. The second one, we looked at and considered whether we could tweak it to require slalom entry on the right. But, if you moved that green pin cone enough in one direction, it just made it a highway in the other direction. So, we pretty much left it in the middle where we thought the obvious line was to take it to the right and flow through it... but, it could also be driven the other way without issue. Bottom line is that both of those options were mostly psychological!

The slalom needed to be entered on the left, which paid big dividends at the end of the slalom. Full throttle at the second-to-last slalom cone if you entered left. Frustration if you entered right. Ron Rice can tell you all about that.

Lol I gotcha, I'll have to try elsewhere next time.

The first option box definitely felt really natural taking the left, I was able to blow through there on the gas with a pretty easy flick of the wheel. The second one, I think it was definitely just a mental thing, especially after coming out of that slalom, was hard for me to get set up right to find the best line.

The left start to the slalom was definitely the way to go.

I'll throw .02 into this one, Taylor. Now, I admit I'm going solely by camera angle, but it looks pretty clear to me.
I'm a bit picky about line (not so good at finding my own...), and while your speed and technique are quite good, you are behind on course, or turning too late, a lot. A better line will make you quicker.
For example, in the single cone slalom, not so much "attack the back" - you are waiting to turn until you are right on the cone.
I attached a couple of screen caps from your video in the pdf. The stills are from the same run (your first). At the beginning of the slalom, your entry is good - attack the back. But by the end, you got behind. If you watch your vids, you're behind a lot, not just in the slalom. Better car position will make a big difference.

twistedwankel wrote:I think I heard Joe Vance offer Jamie $10 grand and his car as a trade up to the 200k mile monster to run in M3? Maybe it was the wind whistling in my ears? Maybe not. Mod cars are like pissing up a rope. Eventually the rope gets wet and so do you.

Dude, I got your 200k+ mile monster. I forgot how to drive it.

Here is my 40.843.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSS3tpfK45A
The new "budget" mount isn't very good, terible camera shake. Still I can see that I left time on the table. I needed 3rd and that finish was messy.
Also, I hope less got his best run on video, that must have been a monster.

PICTURES!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/133057342@N05/Db1Ebk

I think Phillip pulled the handbrake on me... That funny guy! Lol

Native wrote:I'll throw .02 into this one, Taylor. Now, I admit I'm going solely by camera angle, but it looks pretty clear to me.
I'm a bit picky about line (not so good at finding my own...), and while your speed and technique are quite good, you are behind on course, or turning too late, a lot. A better line will make you quicker.
For example, in the single cone slalom, not so much "attack the back" - you are waiting to turn until you are right on the cone.
I attached a couple of screen caps from your video in the pdf. The stills are from the same run (your first). At the beginning of the slalom, your entry is good - attack the back. But by the end, you got behind. If you watch your vids, you're behind a lot, not just in the slalom. Better car position will make a big difference.

LATE APEX.pdf

Makes a lot of sense, thank you. I feel good when I enter the slalom but mid way through I feel like I lose my rhythm and the line and it goes to hell. I might be trying to carry too much speed through there and with my cars weight and stock suspension I just lose the line. Looks like I need a lot more slalom practice.

I'm trying to make myself use and learn a little bit more finesse with my driving as opposed to trying to drive the car like a sledgehammer.

Thanks Steve!

Carracer wrote:PICTURES!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/133057342@N05/Db1Ebk

Thank you for the pics as always!